the program in a decade and what have the americans gone the for it. >> these are the two players who will be big today on these issues. palm ryan made the case, if you look at the percentage of people in poverty, since the war on poverty started it's not gone down that much. that will be the battle line. remember the president is saying the economy is on the upswing and at the same time saying so many people are in poverty and republicans saying this is the president's second term, not second term. bill: but the president is asking for new spending. where do you get that money? >> the whole issue as you know, bill, the grand bargain, retirement reform, big tax deal, that's not happening. so this is money that is not going to be allocated.